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Pakistan ka matlab kya

Anonymous | 13 years ago

Provided that Islam has no concept of "nationalism" does the slogan mean anything or is it an oxymoron? Does Pakistan need Islam to survive or do we need to establish a separate identity based on nationality and not religion?

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Asked by: Anonymous | 13 years ago | Answers: 13 | Views: 6684

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Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

Pakistan is a state found on the basis of "Two Nation Theory", the theory that says Muslims are different from others living in the sub-continent, and they need a separate homeland to freely practice their religion and culture.

Pakistan, however is NOT an Islamic state, its a democratic state where Muslims are free to practice their religion.

Answered by: Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

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democratic state... abay pagal to nahin ho gaya! :D..election ke din dekhta nahin karachi ka kia hal hota hai!

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

Let me rephrase it as " supposedly democratic state"

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

good answer =D

Maniha Aamir Barry | 13 years ago

lol @ hani.. supposedly.. lol hahaha.. nice

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

2 votes

Nabeha | 13 years ago

Laa Ilaha Illallah :)

Answered by: Nabeha | 13 years ago

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yes

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

Mukammal! La Ilaha Ilallah Muhammadur Rasoolullah

Aaquib Naved | 13 years ago

1 votes

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

1) Pakistan was founded on religion, how else would you justify its separation from mainland india!
2) Nationalism!!! Why, any reason. do you have ethnic identity, no! we are mixed. do you have cultural identity, nope! the difference between us and indians and amongst ourselves are the same. give a reason for nationalism.

i am not voting in favour of religion... but without it, Pakistan's existence has no meaning...
the problem is, with religion, its existence still has no meaning, because that way you should be allied with other islamic states....

my reason! Its a pain in the A$$ for many around the world, and thats a reason, even if its the only reason, for my sense of belonging. :P

Answered by: Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

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Agreed with the first 2 points ... well said

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

Can you name ANY country in the World right now, that can be counted as an ISLAMIC STATE ??? the one with Islamic system of rule (Khilafa) ???

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

Islamic system should be in ourself. then we will counted a Muslim then a Muslim Family , Muslim Area and finally a Muslim STAT.

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

i like this new STAT!!

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

ok ... but there are a lot of Should-Be's ...

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

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Maniha Aamir Barry | 13 years ago

it means Pak sar zameen =)

Answered by: Maniha Aamir Barry | 13 years ago

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Umair Aslam | 13 years ago

google it :)

Answered by: Umair Aslam | 13 years ago

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lol

Nabeha | 13 years ago

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Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

Pakistan ka Matlab La ila ha il lalah,,, aur Maqsad Mohammadur Rasool ALLAH.
14 August 1947 that was 27 Ramadan
yes that was shab-e-Qadar
ALLAH says in Quran Surah-97 Al-Qadr
aur tum kya jano k shab-e-qadar kya hai, yeh wo Raat hai. k jab farishtay har kaam k intzaam k liye ALLAH k hukum se utartay hain.
(The angels and the Spirit descend therein by permission of their Lord for every matter.)
Please understand the secrets of Pakistan.
Mohammad (sale alaho alehi wasalam) is our ideology and Pakistan is our identity.
in these days we are in "Azmaish" we know that. but we also know that inshALLAH its temporary time period.
i want to tell you friends plz dont think that Pakistan is going to over now. Not at all my dears this is our Muslim World after this "Azmaish" period InshALLAH World will say that no doubt this country is Miracle because we have "Saya ay Zul'Jalaal".
and one thing more i want to tell if by chance Religion war happen......
Before us ALLAH ki kasam our Muslim brothers and sisters will cut down hindus from india.
Wo log jin mein Emaan ki kami hai wo hamesha murda dil hi rahen gy. but its our duty that we should understand What is a Momin,,, is we are?try to change yourself and say Naar-e-Takbeer Alhamdulilah we are Momin. and we know ALLAH Is our Friend and our Protector. JazakALLAh khair

Answered by: Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

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i did it :|

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

Ok let me mention it again .... Pakistan is NOT an Islamic state ... Its a democratic/liberal country where Muslims happen to be in majority... So yes its separated coz of Islam but no need to get all Emotional .... be realistic !

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

Well said Hassan...

Khawaja Naveed Haider | 13 years ago

"akistan ka Matlab La ila ha il lalah,,, aur Maqsad Mohammadur Rasool ALLAH."
kis dictionary main likha hai

"14 August 1947 that was 27 Ramadan
yes that was shab-e-Qadar"
wa wa... kia kehne
jab kudha ne bol diya ke tum kiya jano shabe qadar kiya hai, to phir muftay main matlab nikalney ki kia zaroorat!

Many hindus are cute and nice and docile... they do my homework for me, i'll cut down anyone who cuts specifically those.

This seems zaid hamid inspired :/

PS: i am paid by mossad to create disinformation warfare against the faithfull righteous.. THE FOURTH GENERATION WAR :o

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

@Naveed: Thnx

@Maxxes: you ARE a tweak !!

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

wats a tweek :P

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tweak

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

hahahaha spot on

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

My Dear @Ali Pakistan ka matlab aur maqsad aik ishq hai aur ishq ki koi dictionary nhi hoti. doosri baat Quran se matlab nikalne ki,,,, mere bhai Quran humaray pass hai hi sirf hadayad k liye aur wo hadayat ki aesi compelte Holy Book hai k koi baat us se bahir hai hi nhi.
jahan tak zaid hamid ki baat hai kya kabi aap ne dekha k zaid hamid koi apne ilfaaz logon ko suna raha ho. maine jab bi usko suna hai wo baat hi sirf Allama Iqbal ki krta hai. aur rahi baat ap k hindu frnds ki to sorry bhai muje ALLAH ne Quran mein ijazat nhi di k mai kisi gair mazhab ko dost banaon.
aur WAR k baare mai yeh kehta hoon k agr WAR ho jay to phir mai apni khush naseebi samjhon ga agr Shaheedon mai shamil ho jaon. aur meri WAR Pakistan sirf Pakistan k liye nhi Bal-k jese maine uper kaha tha ISLAM k liye hai.

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

Dear @Hassan, Alhamdulilah Pakistan is a ISLAMIC state. But majority of people like "Kufr" they are not muslim. Apnay uper aik khol charhaya hua hai k wo muslim hain, jab k Islam se unka koi taluq nhi. Even our govt. thats why my dear majority of ppl islamic stat aur islam ko badnaam kr rahi hai. i feel its my duty now to show the world that I m Muslim, I am Pakistani and Alhamdulilah i Proud to be a Muslim and Pakistani. i am ready every time to ans ALLAH that mera har kaam sirf aur sirf ALLAH aur ALLAH k Rasool (s.a.w.w) ki khatir hai. mujhe aur kuch nhi chahiye bas Ishq-e-Nabi kaafi hai.

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

Do you even know what is the meaning of an Islamic State ??? ... Thats why I told you to not get Emotional b/c you lose all sort of logic ...
The easiest thing is to back all your arguments up with Allah and Quran without even knowing or researching the facts yourself ....
+ This emotional stuff wont work if you are for instance preaching someone not very near to religion....

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

@Zaid-Hamid-Argument: Mr. Waqas! no one, I mean no religious speaker tells his own story .... They all quote from Holy Texts ... However each of them give the explanation/ tashreeh what suits their agenda ... Its your job to judge who is twisting things and who is not (may be by their personality, PAST etc.) ....

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

1) aap ko ghair muslim dost banane ki ijazat nahin ho gee, mujhe hai. meri un se koi dushmani nahin, upar se pav bhaji bhi khane ko mil jata hai :D, cricket ki team puri ho jati hai, aur kahin koi job shob nikal aye to uss ki tasheer bhi kar dete hain. woh khuda ko nahin maante, dil se nahin maante... ab dil ka kya karo ge. zabardasti kisi par nahin, judge karna khuda ka kaam hai... lazmi nahin ke musalman acha insaan ho aur ghair muslim bura!

2) abhi abhi main aik 3 athiests ke bayan sun kar aya, aur main ne woh bayan ghor se sune kyun ke woh sach bol rahe the (scientific presentations).. phir meri bari baki sab ne mera bayan suna, baghair poochay ke main musalman hoon.. ab agar koi 2+2=4 prove kar de, to main baat maan loon, beshak kafir ho ya jo bhi. aur agar koi 2+2=5 kahe aur upar se bole ke quraan se prove hota hai to ulta uss ko chittar marne ka dil karta hai!

3) Zaid hamid allama iqbal ki baat kerta hai.. han! bilkul.. kuch nikal kuch dal ke! shayad un ko khud bhi andaza nahin iss baat ka.

4) koi qatal kare, zina kare, rishwat le, khudkushi kare, gaane sune, gaana gaye, milawat kare ya ghibat kare, kisi ko uss par kufr ka fatwa lagane ka koi haq nahin!

5) kabhi moqa mile to zara bahir niklo, dunya dekho, parhai bhar main gaee, aiwein bohot kuch seekh lo ge.

6) musalmaan ko musalmaan kia, toofan e maghrib ne - Iqbal............ ab iss misre ki tashreeh main meri aur zz hamid ke darmian yakeenan ikhtilaf ho ga!...

7) Hani (hassan) i love you :D!

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

@Ali please check these references:
Surah-4/Ayat-144 [4:144]
Surah-5/Ayat-57 [5:57]
Surah-5/Ayat-80,81 [5:80-81]
Surah-58/Ayat-14 [58:14]

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

yup i did.. the first two are very specific about what kinds of disbelievers are not be befriended.
the last two, from tafseer, seem to be for the hypocrites of the time.

so you mean i should not eat pav bhaji when offered.. i should not let them do me homework.. annd i shall not play cricket. so basically i should shut myself up in my room and start sufi meditation :|

and if they wana know more about islam to clear their doubts.. m always there, so you mean i should leave that opportunity and let them see us through their eyes.. yeah! m so glad you aint here in place of me

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

from where do you pin down these references anyway

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

Yea thr is a thing called "Shan-e-Nuzool" if im not wrong every Ayah and Hadeeth has a specific situation of that time. My point was that some people these days throw references at other people like ping pong balls. And to back up their argument (which might not apply in this situations).

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

@ali dear i have a Prism Quran i search daily about my life matters. everything is there Topic vise. i use references from there. everybody can search, sorry bro, i did not want to hurt you. its your life you know very well. i just mention the references,, how you understand its up to you.

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

@Hassan Dost I dont like your words "ping pong balls".

Waqas Gillani | 13 years ago

If you don't like it then please respect them and not use them like something you don't like.

Hassan Ahmed | 13 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqduYVWOuX4&feature=share
owned!

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

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Osama Afzal | 13 years ago

Pakistan is a place where we suppose to live freely and every person is free to practice their religion ... !

Answered by: Osama Afzal | 13 years ago

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The emphasis is on "suppose to" I guess. On ground reality isn't so pretty.

Ibn Warraq | 13 years ago

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Khawaja Naveed Haider | 13 years ago

What i have studied is "LAA ILAHA ILLALAH"

Answered by: Khawaja Naveed Haider | 13 years ago

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guess what! it aint! :|
and i can prove it :D

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

Tell us then.

Khawaja Naveed Haider | 13 years ago

its pretty rudimentary lol
Pak = pure
Pakistan = land of the pure
and hence: Land of the pure = Pakistan
so If: Pakistan = La ilaha illallah
then : la ilaha illallah must be = pakistan
but it aint
actually La ilaha illallah = <you know better than me, atleast its not PAKISTAN>

Ali Iqbal | 13 years ago

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Faiq Latifi | 13 years ago

Very simple it is... Pakistan means ''Pak Logon k Rehne Ki Jaga.''
And to be very honest the other slogans and meanings associated with this are no longer applicable to people like us. Wo unhi pe suit kartay thay who deserved, we don't. We are all in deeeeeeeeeeep sleep.

Answered by: Faiq Latifi | 13 years ago

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Aaquib Naved | 13 years ago

Baat yehi hai bunyadi
Ghasib ki ho barbadi
Haq kehte hain haq agah
Pakistan ka matlab kya
La Ilaha Illalah… By Habib Jalib

Answered by: Aaquib Naved | 13 years ago

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Abdul Salam Khan | 13 years ago

If you ask this question from a politician he would say, 'Jo kuch milay Khaa pee ja' !

Answered by: Abdul Salam Khan | 13 years ago

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Anonymous | 13 years ago

The word Pak Sar Zameen came in use after creation of National Anthem. National Anthem refers Pakistan as "Pak Sar Zameen". So in my opinion, it is not the original meaning of word Pakistan but only a term that refers Pakistan.

Pakistan ka matlab kia, "LAA ILAHA ILLALAH Mohammadur Rasool ALLAH" is more accurate definition. It simply means that Pakistan was created in name of islam and people demanding Pakistan had no single identity other than being muslims. Indian sub-continent remained divided in hundred of states and countries in the history so there was no historical national identity attached to any region. People belonged to hundreds of different ethnic groups so there was no ethnic similarity, there were more than 500 languages so there was no linguistic identity. These are all the identities on which modern concept of nations is build. Islam was the only uniting factor.

So it is very simple: "LAA ILAHA ILLALAH Mohammadur Rasool ALLAH"

Answered by: Anonymous | 13 years ago

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Anonymous | 13 years ago

I fail to see the relation or connection between a name of a country and the essence of Islam.
It is somebody asks you how what is the meaning of your name - and your reply is 'I have performed 1 Haj and 2 Umrahs.
This slogan ( sort of ) was coined under Zia's rule to emphasize and change the character of the nation.

Answered by: Anonymous | 13 years ago

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