Why Khyber Pukhoonkhwa starts ramadan/celebrates Eid a day before the rest of Pakistan?

Agreed!

So, its a political issue =/

Marra yeh sub alaa meyaar ki naswaar ka kamaal hai!!! :D

kuch samaj nahi aaya aapnay kiya kaha

@ sana... LOL! you should try it to believe it.

@Ali @Sana what you guys talking about?

ahh!! its the naswar we're talking about. mmmmmm

:P

Bachi ko tang kertay ho :P
Mano, Naswaar is something like tobacco that pathan people take to get "tun" :P

leh! jitna naswar karachi main istemal hota hai pooray kpk main nahin hota. pathan aiwein badnaam!

waisay highest quality sirf karak ya bannu ka hi hai!

@Ali karak kiya?

@zainab @Ali yesh bachy ko tang nahi kartay =[

karak is a city in KPK

My God... kyoon menay bachi ko kharab karnay kay liye aisi baat kerdi :(

@Sana pata nahi kyon ki =(

Lol but she shud be aware of harmful things na : )

han.. bache aisa na karo
*yeh sun kar choti ne socha "O! acha aisa bhi hota hai.. chalo dekhain karke kia hota hai"

@Zainab well not all of the harmful h=things. didn't had no idea about this.

@Ali haan aisay na karain. Kahin may yay soch he na lon.

@Ali & Zainab: Well said.

@Maniha: Nahi beta please try na karna. *Evil grin* :p

lol at marra in the first comment

@Ali now what is maara

okay baji =p

Marra is one of the two words i have a hard time explaining.. the other one being Olamba!
probably sana can explain :P

Olamba I can't explain either lol... Marra means... umm... something like hey dude, yar, friend, etc etc. Used mostly to address someone in a very informal yet friendly way.
I hope you get it now ^_^ Bari mehnat say explain kiya hai :p

@Sana =P yesh bary mehnat say expain kiya hay aaagai samaj =P

@Sana: I had never heard this word before.. marra lol first I thought you mistakenly called maniha, marra :P

@sana, spot on!

@Zainab if you ever live pukhtunkhwa(meaning near pashtun or live beside pashtun), this word marra gets on the tongues of almost everybody. the word is pronounced with the 'r' as in pahar(mountain)..

@sana @Ali @zainab I also never heard this word in my life

Lol thanks for info Ali, wud ask one of my pakhtun friends abt the this word.

1) you are talking as if talking behind the KPK guys Back... they are right here :o
2) they dont wanna prove anything.. they ARE more religious in general. and sometimes so emotional about it that we all know the jokes that are made in that regard :P
3) the central arrangement is not for just for moon sighting, its for collecting witnesses (which should include ppl from ALL over pakistan).
4) the central arrangement is acting just like the rest of the center.. yup.
5) check my answer to see what they want to achieve. they are not show offs.. probably a little self-centered maybe.

@Ali yeah I agree on this one

source: some guy from KPK

so in other words you are saying that the whole Pakistan is doing wrong by following Royat Hilal Committee and not the institution of Qasim Masjid, coz thats literally what is happening for as long as I can remember, secondly how is it that this happens only for Ramadan and Eid-ul-Fitr, where are the contradictions when Bakar Eid comes?? thats kinda fishy

why would the whole of pakistan be doing wrong. i am not saying that. i am questioning the working of the hilal committee by not including qasim khan in its proceedings (atleast).
i dont know what you think of the people or how does your mind process work but people from kpk are people just like you, not some bozos of whom you hear the jokes about. and there are differences on bakr eid also, but i guess last time it was on the same day. and there have been instances when eidul fitr has been on the same day with rest of pakistan also. so they dont differ for the sake of difference.
having a hilal committee doesnt mean nobody should sight the moon... and if people have seen it, why does the hilal committee turns a blind eye. and mind it, there are instances when no witnesses come forward and thats when kpk and rest of pakistan do it on the same day.
and if things are fishy... WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT. KPK guys are known to kill for religion, you think they`d be bold enough to make fun of it. :/

if you want to implicate KPK, atleast try to come up with a solid plausible reason or motive for their behaviour.

your and my own statement is actually a paradox, one of them has to be wrong in order for other to be right, so in your case royat hilal's reporting has to be wrong and in my case kpk people must have a motive, and btw i never said anything about the kpk people being bozos or something. and please, dont just try to prove that killing for religion means there is a logic behind this too, besides anyone in our country is willing to kill iun the name of religion, the guy who killed Salman Taseer was not a Pashtun, the thing is why doesnt the Royat get any official Shahaadats from across the country even if the people in KPK do report sighting, is it possible that the moon is only visible in KPK or is there a chance that the Royat Hilaal Comittee is a scam organisation?
I on second thoughts would still follow a federal arrangement for moon sighting rather than some mosque in a single city that is followed by people of only one province. If someone is so much curious then he must try and see the moon himself in order to be sure.

kill for religion was a metaphor to emphasize the people's conviction, why do i have to explain everything in simple words :/.
did i say the hilal commitee's reporting is wrong!! errm nope!.. i just said its working is questionable.
"I sometimes feel that they wanna prove that they are more religious than people of other provinces"..,. sounds like bozos to me.
heh! LOL @ federal arrangement. you should go for it seriously, coz thats the only way for you.. but think about it... is the federation really trust worthy. religiously its torn apart by sectarian differences and madrassa administrators vying to remain independent and receive their own funding. and just look at other aspects of the federation.. pathetic arent they. so is the hilal commitee a scam organization?? probably not, but it is flawed nonetheless.
i dont know whether witnesses from other parts of the country come or not, and to be frank neither do you... do you know the phone number of the hilal commitee on which to contact them ??
besides, i know that witnesses do come from my area and if you allege that people here lie then i can also allege that people there need glasses.
we are on high ground, our areas are pollution free, if there is moon to be sighted, kpk guys will be the first to see it. and seeing the moon means>>> wuhhoo! ramadhan time.
and its not just a simple mosque, it has a history, more than 150 years of it and that makes it more credible than the hilal commitee, even if its legally clandestine (which i dont know if it is). can you even remember taht far back in time.

may be what you said makes sense to you, but it makes no sense to me. I also said "one can never tell what they achieve by doing so :s" which you kinda missed out. what does a history of sighting the moon has to do with the credibility of the sighting. Do sighting of moon require an experience? or are the people from a century back still doing so over there?? or are they publishing some literature on the special techniques they use to see the moon?? Its simple math. And if really height had something to do with watching it, people would do so on airplanes. It requires a clear skyline to watch the moon of first coz it is really close to the horizon so the best shot at it would be from sea if the skies are clear. just sayin. The thing is I dont see no point of you defending the practice of a mosque for a certain job sitting there when I atleast know that some responsible people selected from across the country are doing it on behalf of others. and If I cant do the sighting myself I'd definitely and naturally trust the state's arrangement.
You in the meantime can do what you feel like :)

it was a metaphor to show their conviction. do i have to explain everything in bare simple wordings. :/
"one can never tell what they achieve by doing so :s".. i just told you what it does, how and why. probably 'you' instead of 'one' can never tell!
history of sighting moon establishes an untarnished tradition. what credibility does the hilal commitee have, the very notion that the govt has decreed its function puts question marks there. the federation has a history of being tarnished by religious sectarianism and madrassah administrators vying for independence to have their own funding. Cant we question the working of the hilal committee, should we blindly go with them just because zardari says so.
you point fingers at qasim khan not knowing how it works, and you support hilal committee without knowing how it works either. although i say you should follow the hilal committee, but isnt it fair for me to ask you to atleast look at its workings and raise questions. but no, you like the whole infallible dil dil pakistan idea.
even if somebody from kpk is lying, isnt that discrimination, how do YOU know that he is lying. if it is established that people saw it, who are you or any hilal committee to say it isnt correct.
and yes people see the moon in punjab also, i have lived there all my childhood but then again, do you know the hilal committe's contact number. especially when i was living in azad kashmir sometime in 1997-1999 people there were questioning govts decision also because some people did see the moon.

its good, rather necessary in your area, to follow the state's arrangement, but its utter foolishness not to scrutinize it.

so I take it that you have actually verified the practice adopted by the said mosque for the said task. I admit that I cant really run around verifying all the actions being taken by the government, or else I'll be on the roads all the time. And O bhai saab what does Zardari have to do with it :P dont say that its a metaphor too now coz that way you are making it ridiculous. and what does sectarianism has to do with it when all shia, sunni incl wahaabi, barelvi, deobandi etc are celebrating the eid on the same day all across the country except for KPK and which madrassah has gained independence for funding through the act of moon sighting? Please elighten me how is that even possible?? hadd ho gai hai yaar, talk some sense :p
And if you want to blame the govt for biasing in the act of moon sighting somehow, then we can not trust them with anything. It means we have to double check each and everything. You really think that is possible? whats the purpose of a government then? ab dont say that we are a failed state and there has been no governance since our inception, if that were the case we wouldnt have been independent for this long or would atleast have seen a few civil wars.
Sorry I wont argue any further on this, coz this conversation is going nowhere

Errr, will read it by tomorrow, need time to read all this convo :P in hurry now.

so if you cant confirm then you wont question... bravo.. and this is what Pakistan has been reduced to.. blinds following with directionless conviction. just watch 2nd august mubashir luqman program. there are things mentioned there too!

and the convo is going nowhere because your faith is blind... and blind faith leads nowhere.

like I said, wont argue any further

BTW here are the moon sighting curves releases by MCW (Moonsighting Committee Worldwide) - http://www.moonsighting.com/1432rmd.html
Here's a brief profile of the committee - http://www.moonsighting.com/mcw.html
So if you were to consider the astronomical grounds, the curves literally suggest that there was not a single chance of moon sighting in KPK on 31st of July, whatsoever. So you might wanna ask how they did it anyway. Do read about the chairman of the committee too.

The convo as confusing as this issue of two eids is, carry on guys !

Agree with Ali.If Moon is sighted by a number of people then whats so much in discussing who is right or wrong.If they can see it,they better start the new month.But well,If Mr.Bashir Ahmad Bilore is grumbling like Moon is sighted better take him by his toe and throw him on the Railway track as far as possible so that worst Railway is Reinstated before the next Ramadan Moon is sighted; D